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U javnosti, kako kaze Chaos engine, mozete raditi bilo sta. On je izabrao put ratnika i carobnjaka (ako sam dobro shvatio, ispricavam se ako nisam). I samim tim taj put ispoljava u svom zivotu, sto se nadam da je tako, da nije samo jos jedno.. malo iskrenije samozavaravanje..


Krivo si shvatio.
Ja se ne smatram carobnjakom ili ratnikom-shamanom, jednostavno slijedim Castanedino ucenje jer mi po svojoj biti najvise odgovara, medjutim tu ima i drugih stvari koje ga nadopunjuju. Uzimam ono sta mi odgovara, a stanje se vremenom mijenja, tako da moj put ne mozes klasificirat.

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Sama "ideja" da je sve jedno.. nije ni new age znanje niti ono pripada bilo kome. Ono jeste temeljna istina, i svako ima za pravo da je proglasi svojom. Ili da je odbaci shodno svom iskustvu.


Tocno, samo sta u svom prethodnom postu pisem o krivoj interpretaciji i zloupotrebi te istine od raznih new age ucenja i tehnika, sa ciljem ljudske stagnacije odnosno spustanja na denzitetskoj ljestvici.

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NAJVEĆE ZNANJE JE NIŠTA NE ZNATI.


Hmmm... pa da li postoji ITKO tko ništa nezna???

Nemoj odgovarati na to. Bar ne prije nego na ovo pitanje:

Što je, za tebe, znanje?

Da možemo odrediti oko čega ćemo diskutirati...

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Pa već se odgovor krije u mom prošlom postu. Istinsko Znanje( za mene) je samopredaja božanskom principu u sebi.

To je ključ za deprogramiranje.

Ove naše diskusije, nisu diskusije o Znanju (barem o onom što ja nazivam Znanje), o tome istinski ne možemo diskutirati iako mi međusobno komuniciramo i na jednom drugom nivou nepoznatom našem umu i osjećajima.


U 'Putu u Ixtlan' Castaneda je napisao:
'Slijedimo li drugi put i izbrišemo osobnu povijest stvaramo oko sebe maglu, vrlo uzbudljivo i tajanstveno stanje u kojem nitko ne zna iz kojeg će grma iskočiti zec, čak ni mi sami. Kad ništa nije sigurno ostajemo budni, stalno spremni. Mnogo je uzbudljivije ne znati iza koga se grma krije zec nego se ponašati kao da sve znamo.'

Da li postoji itko tko ništa ne zna? Sigurno postoji. To je svakako onaj koji ZNA :lol: Vidiš, kad se pokuša objasniti Znanje to djeluje bezumno. Zna onaj koji ne zna :D

Sokrat je rekao: znam da ništa ne znam.
Ja kažem za sebe: na žalost još uvijek znam da puno toga znam i puno puta se ponašam da znam, i uvjerena sam iz kojeg će grma skočiti zec. I onda se javljaju predrasude i samoograničavanja, a da ih često nisam odmah svjesna jer sam uvjerena da 'znam da znam'.
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hm, vidim da je naziv tehnike unio zabunu.
tehnika potiče iz područja psihologije. Nema veze s okultnim, nema veze s new ageom (još uvijek mi nije jasan pojam "new age")
Namijenjena je sagledavanju sebe s ciljem izlaska iz kruga neurotičnog ponašanja.
Dakle, rad s tom tehnikom je rad na ličnosti, na svjesnom i potisnutim dijelovima ličnosti.
Neurotično ponašanje je kad ponavljamo situacije sa isitim osnovnim problemom, dakle, dovodimo sebe u novu frustrirajuću situaciju u koju prenosimo iste nerazriješene odnose, iz domena primarnih odnosa. Primarni odnosi su u psihologiji definirani kao odnosi s majkom i ocem)
Frustrirajuće situacije ponavljamo dotle dok ne razriješimo primarne komplekse.
Primarni kompleksi su dobro poznati kompleksi koje je opisao Freud i dalje razradili njegovi sljedbenici.
Psihologija ne raspravlja o ujedinjenju sa svemirskim izvorima, nego o ujedinjenju ličnosti koja je u raskolu. Raskol je široki pojam.
Cilj psihologije je bolje funkcioniranje osobe sa samom sobom i u odnosima s drugim ljudima u ovome svijetu, u realnim odnosima.

Tehniku sa isitim nazivom možemo pronaći i u okultizmu, ne poznajem je, ne znam ima li veze s ovom koju sam opisala.

Tehniku pod istim nazivom, ali s dodatkom meditacije koristimo u reikiju. (U reiki školi koju poznajem, za ostale-ne znam).
Što je i od kuda došlo, i da li se još netko koristi istim alatom, bez obzira koje je boje taj netko, meni nije važno. JA znam da je ova tehnika djelotvorna i da vodi boljem funkcioniranju u svakodnevnim odnosima. Znam, jer živim tako, jer je to moje iskustvo i živim u njemu. I znam da nema nikakvog efekta odustajanja u smislu da se prepušta vodstvo nekom manipulatoru, nego upravo suprotno, dovodi do preuzimanja vodstva za sebe na sebe.
Meni je to dobro, ne znači da je i drugima.

Integrirana osoba, prema psihologiji, može izaći na kraj sa frustrirajućim situacijama ako u njih upadne, ostvaruje svoje ciljeve svojim snagama i ne na štetu drugih. Integrirana osoba se ne dovodi u frustrirajuće situacije na način kako se to događa neintegriranima.
Neintegrirana osoba negira neke dijelove svoje ličnosti, i te dijelove preslikava u svoju okolinu. Zauzvrat, dobija društvo osoba s isitim negiranim dijelovima sebe, ali s negativnim eksponentom, i i bori se s tim aspektima izvan sebe, umjesto da u sebi napravi reda.
ČEst primjer odnosa u kojima je jedna osoba ima naglašenu mazohističku crtu ličnosti, a druga sadističku. (Govorimo o crtama ličnosti koje svatko ima, ne nužno o krajnjim patološkim poremećajima)
Mazohist je osoba koja se odrekla svoje agresivnosti, boji se vlastite agresivnosti jer nije sigurna da bi je mogla kontrolirati, i taj aspekt prepušta drugima. Takva osoba se boji preuzeti inicijativu za bilo što, pa vodstvo u svemu prepušta dugima. (Pitanja: što da kupim, što je ljepoše, što ti misliš, i oslanjanje na tuđe izbore i u najmanjim sitnicama ) Što je više nesigurnija, takva osoba privuče osobu koja snažnije svojim vanjskim ponašanjem prikazuje sigurnost i inicijativu, a to su osobe koje su u stanju u potpunosti preuzeti vodstvo do te mjere da negiraju bilo kakavu slobodnu volju i u potpunosti potčinjavaju drugu osobu. Ako se mazohist želi izvući iz takvog odnosa, mora preuzeti na sebe vlastitu agresivnost, ali je prvo treba prepoznati. To prepoznavanje je osnova tehnke "ogledalo". (pozor na navodnike, molim)
Ovdje se ne govori samo o agresivnosti kao o crti nasilništva i fizičkog maltretiranja, agresivnost šire shvatiti kao "poduzetništvo" u smislu poduzimanja bilo kakve akcije ili aktivnosti. Agresivnost ima svoje "stupnjeve" kao i sve ostalo, od potpuno potisnute, do potpuno nekontrolirane.

Mimi, slažem se s tvojom definicijom potpunog znanja, i to bi mogao biti krajnji cilj. Ali, do krajnjeg cilja ima jako puno stepenica koje treba prijeći.



Mimi, citrat,

U 'Putu u Ixtlan' Castaneda je napisao:
'Slijedimo li drugi put i izbrišemo osobnu povijest stvaramo oko sebe maglu, vrlo uzbudljivo i tajanstveno stanje u kojem nitko ne zna iz kojeg će grma iskočiti zec, čak ni mi sami. Kad ništa nije sigurno ostajemo budni, stalno spremni. Mnogo je uzbudljivije ne znati iza koga se grma krije zec nego se ponašati kao da sve znamo.'


tako nekako shvaćam i ovu tehniku. Zaskoči nas vlastiti aspekt iz nekog grma.
Ova tehnika je dobra naročito za početak, kad prvo treba sagledati svoj ego, spoznati njegove obrane i granice u koje smo sami sebe stavili, da bi se kasnije moglo doći do pravog znanja, kako ga ti shvaćaš.
Znam da osoba koja je u ropstvu svojeg lažnog ega ne može doći do oslobođenja ako ne spozna da je u ropstvu i ako ne otkrije laži koje nosi u sebi.

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Mimi, shvatio sam, da je neodređenost bolja od određenosti. Ali određenost nije znanje da je bolje da ga nemamo.

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Sokrat je rekao: znam da ništa ne znam.


Moja susjeda je rekla: Znam da nemam za kruh i mlijeko.

Haha, ma boli me tko je šta rekao... uostalom, to su samo NJIHOVE interpretacije nečega. Sad, da li je to znanje ili ne, možemo diskutirati do preksutra.

U Sokratovoj izjavi se krije kontradiktornost, pa je zato izjava beznačajna ( bar za mene ). Jer ako IŠTA znaš ( on zna samo toliko - da ništa nezna ) - to znači da IPAK NEŠTO zna. Nije totalna nula. Dakle, pobija sam svoju tvrdnju. Može se faca zvati i Sokrat i Tesla i Einstein ili moja susjeda Marica, svejedno mi je - uzimam na promatrenje njihove tvrdnje, a ne autoritet koji imaju. Svi su mi isti.

Uvijek nešto znaš. Bar podsvjesno. U biti - uvijek SVE znaš. Samo pomičeš fokus svoje svijesti prema određenom znanju i otkrićima.

Ali, slažem se da je nepoznato veći izazov od poznatog. Ali najveći mi je izazov spoznati sam, a ne slijediti neku već unaprijed određenu shemu nekog koji je to već prošao. Jer, možda ja to doživim ipak na malo drugačiji način.

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Mislim da nije riječ o znanju koje dobijamo putem poznatih i istraženih misaonih operacija, nego je riječ o znanju koje nadilazi misaone operacije i poznate puteve spoznavanja.
Neki to nazivaju potpunim uvidom.

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Ali najveći mi je izazov spoznati sam, a ne slijediti neku već unaprijed određenu shemu nekog koji je to već prošao. Jer, možda ja to doživim ipak na malo drugačiji način.

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Nema drugoga, to je jedini način. Sam.

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'Slijedimo li drugi put i izbrišemo osobnu povijest stvaramo oko sebe maglu, vrlo uzbudljivo i tajanstveno stanje u kojem nitko ne zna iz kojeg će grma iskočiti zec, čak ni mi sami. Kad ništa nije sigurno ostajemo budni, stalno spremni. Mnogo je uzbudljivije ne znati iza koga se grma krije zec nego se ponašati kao da sve znamo.'


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tako nekako shvaćam i ovu tehniku. Zaskoči nas vlastiti aspekt iz nekog grma.


Ne vidim kakve to veze ima sa gornjim odlomkom.

Rijec je prilici (zec) koju mozemo ugrabiti ako izbrisemo osobnu povijest i tako smanjimo ego, cime nasa svijest postaje otvorenija i ostrija.

Kod ove tehnike se ego redefinira, "negativno" se zamjenjuje "pozitivnim" a ego ostaje iste velicine. Mozda nas nece zaskociti nas "vlastiti negativni aspekt", ali tako zeca necemo ni vidjet, a kamoli uhvatit.

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chaos, ne znam hoćeš li u ovome vidjeti vezu ili ne, ali, eto, ja je vidim:

Tehnika brisanja osobne povijesti, je vrlo slična tehnici ogledala. Otpuštanju negativnog aspekta prethodi prisjećanje na sve okolnosti kad se taj aspekt formirao i kad se ispoljavao, a otpuštanje ima efekt zboravljanja onoga što mislimo da jesmo i onoga što smo htjeli biti, i otvaramo se za spoznaju onoga što zapravo jesmo.
Drugim riječima, to je brisanje negativnih programa.
To što mene kod te tehnike oduševljava je način kako otkriti postojanje vlastitih negativnih programa, koji su, kad se razumski pokušavaju dokučiti, jako dobro zamaskirani i mi ih teško kod sebe samih možemo prepoznati. ali kod drugih, to nam nije problem.
Lakše ćemo kod drugih prepoznati da su glupi i zavedeni, nego kod sebe samih. Upravo ta činjenica da nas nervira tuđa glupost, je signal da trebamo razmotriti vlastitu.

Kad nas nečije ponašanje snažno nervira i izazove snažnu emocionalnu reakciju, kada prepoznamo koje osobine motiviraju tu osobu na takvo ponašanje, to je signal da smo mi kod sebe baš tu osobinu duboko potisnuli i da je treba dovesti na površinu i vidjeti što s njom.
Više puta sam imala takvih iskustava, i svaki put sam se ponovno šokirala kad sam shvatila da je to baš tako.

Npr. Strašno me pogodilo ponašanje kolege na poslu koji je preko mojih leđa pokušao doći do vlastitog napredovanja. Prema meni se odnosio prijateljski, a iza mojih leđa je nadležnima pričao izmišljene priče o mojim tobožnjim propustima, istovremeno veličajući svoje rezultate koji uopće, ni kratkoročno ni dugoročno gledano, objektivno, nisu bili pozitivni. Nadležni su nasjeli su na priču. Dugo sam se koprcala u kaši koju mi je skuhao, i pokušavala dokazati svoju ispravnost, jer, radilo se o mogućem otkazu, dok se nisam sjetila tehnike i odradila na sebi posao sa osobinama koje sam na njemu prepoznala. Kad sam to obavila, jednostavno,osoba je odustala od mene, maknula se, a "nadležni" su iznenada shvatili u čemu je problem, kao da su se iznenada prosvijetlili.
Time što sam odradila na sebi, mogla sam se odmaknuti i postati promatrač. Otpustila sam i emocionalne veze iz svoje osobne povijesti koje su bile u temelju problema i shvatila zašto sam baš ja bila na meti toj osobi a ne netko drugi. Sada više nemam taj problem, ali ću vjerojatno dobiti neki drugi, pa ću opet ispočetka.
Castaneda govori o magli koju stvaramo oko sebe brišući osobnu povijest.
Ovakvim radom se stvara magla oko sebe, koja djeluje kao zaštitni omotač.
Konkretno, u realnim situacijama, oni koji pokušavaju izvesti neki napad oslanjaju se na ono što znaju o tome kako funkcioniram i što od mene mogu očekivati. Međutim, kad se riješi ona osobina na koju računaju, zbune se i nemaju što, nego odustati i potražiti novu žrtvu. To baš i nije neki uspjeh, jer smo problem preselili na drugo mjesto a nismo ga do kraja riješili.
I za to postoji također tehnika, ali to sad nije tema.

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I za to postoji također tehnika, ali to sad nije tema.


... što i nije neki problem, zar ne? Samo netko klikne NEW TOPIC.

Hvala unaprijed, i nadam se da ćemo i tu tehniku saznati. Zašto nebi!?

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Nisam sigurna Jack da li je ta tehnika za ovakav vid izlaganja ....moram razmisliti. Moram biti sigurna da se ne može zloupotrijebiti. :(

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....moram razmisliti.


Odlično! =D>
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Moram biti sigurna da se ne može zloupotrijebiti.


Nikad nisi sigurna u okruženju 3. denziteta. Kao i nitko drugi. Tako da uzmeš u obzir samo ono prvo... hehe!

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Svaka osobina može imati dvije krajnosti, može biti potiskivana i može biti izražena. (i naravno, stotinjak stupnjeva u intenzitetu između te dvije krajnosti).
Kad govorimo o napadu, riječ je o kranjnostima neke osbine koja se u toj borbi očituje.
slično privlači slično..ili privlači se minus i plus.
Kad iz sebe očistiš ono što privlači drugu osobu da te napadne, oduzmeš joj motiv za napad, pa odustane.
Kad se riješiš emocionalne vezanosti, nestane još jedan razlog za rvanje.
Osoba odustane i od obmanjivanja okoline, ako je to bio instrumenst, tj. medij napada. Mijenjajući sebe, mijenjaš svoje djelovanje prema okolini, pa i okolina promijeni svoje prema tebi.
Prosto ko pasulj.
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Mijenjajući sebe, mijenjaš svoje djelovanje prema okolini, pa i okolina promijeni svoje prema tebi.


i to je sva 'magija'.
ali treba naglasiti da to i nije baš tako lako kako se na prvi pogled čini.


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Nija lako.
Zašto bi bilo lako?
Ne postoje jednostavna i laka rješenja. Postoje samo prava i trajna rješenja, sve ostalo je kozmetika.....

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Ma ne znam, ..možda i je bio ratni, ali nije bio tebi upućen..

Svi bi nešto lako, pa nešto jeftino, pa jednostavno, pa da se ne znoje radeći, pa da ih ne boli, pa da ne moraju puno učiti a da svejedno dobiju titule i veliku plaću, da im netko ukratko objasni da ne moraju sami tražiti odgovore......
Previše je narcizma u okolišu.

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Mimi, shvatio sam, da je neodređenost bolja od određenosti. Ali određenost nije znanje da je bolje da ga nemamo.


Nisi ti dobro skužio što sam ti ja htjela reći.


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To je tako ako promatramo našim umom. Ako promatramo srcem, ova izjava će za nas imati duboko značenje.


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Ali najveći mi je izazov spoznati sam, a ne slijediti neku već unaprijed određenu shemu nekog koji je to već prošao. Jer, možda ja to doživim ipak na malo drugačiji način.


Zar misliš da se drugačije i može spoznavati nego spoznavati sam? Tek kad sam nešto spoznaš možeš PREPOZNATI tu istu spoznaju do koje je netko došao, a koju je na primjer opisao putem neke priče. I to prepoznavanje nam daje snagu da idemo dalje jer shvaćamo da nismo sami.
Ali do tada, dok sami ne dođemo do uvida, to će za nas biti samo obična lijepa izmišljena priča, možda će nam se čak činiti nerazumljiva i teška za čitanje ili ćemo totalno izokrenuti njezin sadržaj i čak napraviti u toj priči preinake kako bi se priča prilagodila našem stanju svijesti. To se stalno dešava.


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da, baš tako, Mimi...
Nema spoznavanja osim preko vlastitih leđa. Zato ne postoji "učenje na tuđim greškama" i "učenje iz tuđih primjera". I zato "poučavanje znači posjetiti učenika na ono što već i sam zna".
Što ti misliš o tehnici Ogledalo?
Osim ove, imaš li još neku "caku" kojom bi se mogalo prepoznati i razotkriti i riješiti sve ono što nas sprječava da spoznavanje umom prerastemo i prepustimo se spoznavanju srcem?

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da, baš tako, Mimi...
Nema spoznavanja osim preko vlastitih leđa. Zato ne postoji "učenje na tuđim greškama" i "učenje iz tuđih primjera". I zato "poučavanje znači posjetiti učenika na ono što već i sam zna".
Što ti misliš o tehnici Ogledalo?
Osim ove, imaš li još neku "caku" kojom bi se mogalo prepoznati i razotkriti i riješiti sve ono što nas sprječava da spoznavanje umom prerastemo i prepustimo se spoznavanju srcem?


O tome da su drugi samo naše ogledalo, tu se apsolutno slažem s tobom. Čak mi je jako drago kad ljudi dođu do tog uvida, jer takvi su rijetki. Ni najmanja sitnica ne dolazi do nas iz vana, sve je u našem biću. Iluzija je da nas netko izvan nas samih može uzrujati. Zato je dobro druženje s ljudima, a nikako izolacija, jer jedino tako, putem ogledala u drugima možemo spoznati istinski sebe, onakvi kakvi jesmo. Kad smo sami sa sobom mi smo obično sami sebi super i teško si vidimo mane.
Hehe...i kad su s drugima mnogi su sebi super, samo im drugi nikako ne valjaju :D A u biti samo je izašla na površinu prljavština vlastita bića.
Onaj tko to zna više se ne bavi drugima.

Ali tehniku čišćenja putem vizualizacije, ne bih primjenjivala. Naravno sve ovisi i o tome koji nam je cilj, da li nam je cilj samo da se osjećamo bolje u ovom svijetu ili nam je cilj istinsko oslobođenje.

Mi smo često u zabludi da mi možemo dozvati neku božansku Svjetlost.
Mi smo ti koje nas se uporno zove, ali uglavnom ne čujemo. A nije uopće čudno da ne čujemo od ove hrpe imitacija oko nas i u nama, čak vrlo profinjenih imitacija, koje će nam rado ispuniti sve želje, samo da nas odvuku od Svjetla, a možda će i nas same uvjeriti da smo u Svjetlu.

A da slično privlači slično, to je činjenica. Ubijeni je sam privukao svog ubojicu. To mnogi ne razumiju i najbolje je ne ulaziti o tome u raspravu sa svakim.

Isto tako, što više damo prostora našoj iskrici Svjetlosti u srcu, ne gušeći je svojim samopotvrđivanjem, ona će privući istinsko Svjetlo jer jedino ona je u našem biću od istinskog Svjetla, makar bila malena poput zrnca pijeska. Što se ta iskrica više rasplamsava, mi ćemo znati što treba raditi jer imat ćemo Učitelja u nama koji će nas voditi. Ali u nama su isto tako i lažni učitelji i zato treba biti iznad svega budan, i na 'sve četiri na zemlji'.
Molitve onih koje Svjetlo nije prosvijetlilo dozivaju neke druge snage, snage ovoga svijeta, i služe održanju ovog prirodnog poretka, odnosno ovog Matrixa, podruma, zatvora, neprestanog kola rađanja i smrti...ili kako ga već ovdje nismo nazvali...A onaj koji je Prosvjetljen, njegov cijeli život je molitva.

Ono što mi najviše možemo je prestati s samopotvrđivanjem i stalno misliti da trebamo ovo, trebamo ono, neku tehniku, neku metodu...Imamo mi ono u sebi što ZNA sve u sitnicu kako i što treba. Ali valjda nemamo u to dovoljno povjerenja, pa uvijek mislimo da moramo nekako intervenirati i ne dopuštamo tom ZNANJU da se rasplamsa.
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Potpuno se slažem da nije potrebna tehnika i da nije potrebno samopotvrđivanje.
Ali, ti govoriš s jednog višeg nivoa, koji mnogima nije jasan, čak ne vjeruju da postoji i da je dostižan.
Ja govorim o početnicima kojima je potrebno brdo dokaza da bi se prepustili. Mislim da je ipak važno za početak, da bi se izašlo iz ogledala, spoznati i "srediti" to ogledalo.
Većini ljudi koje znam je potrebno da se drže za neku tehniku ili nekog učitelja, onako kako se dijete drži za suknju svoje majke. Kako to meni izgleda, postoje nekakve više-manje univerzalne faze u razvoju, prijelazna razdoblja sa prijelaznim objektima. (Prijelazni objekt u psihologiji je objekt na kojeg projiciramo ..blabla...ukratko, duda varalica, a u našem slučaju je to tehnika).
Rijetkim osobama nije potrebna nikakva tehnika, i nikakvo samopotvrđivanje i samoprovjeravanje, vrlo rijetki odmah pronađu unutarnjeg vodiča ili učitelja. Većina mora dugo tražiti, oslanja se na vodstvo izvana dok ne stane na vlastite noge.
E sad, pitanje tog oslonca je vrlo diskutabilno.

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Odmah sam odlučio copy-paste cijeli tekst ovdje, nek se nađe... tko zna... izgleda da zatvaraju stranice koje im "smetaju", odnosno koje otvaraju oči ljudima. I zato - evo teksta ovdje:

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Third Eye
Activation and basic usage

Written by René K. Müller (kiwi@spiritweb.org) - Aug 10, 1995

Drawings by Lori E. Tostado (lorazz@inreach.com)
Image manipulation by R.K.Müller (kiwi@spiritweb.org)

As previously discussed in perception of subtle realms, we have physical and non-physical senses, and both have their own area to serve us in how we act. To go a step further, I would like to describe here an easy way to activate the 3rd-eye, or the inner eye, in a passive way: looking and perceiving.

Introduction

We are truely spirits, who occupy physical bodies to participate in physical reality: without our bodies we couldn't be a part of it. We can consider the physical body as a vehicle, or using a modern word, a craft.

Most spirits forget that they are truely spirits, spiritual beings. But how? We get overwhelmed by a dimension we didn't experience before, we even didn't know what time or space is, because as spirits we didn't experience such a limiting reality as here. That's what the call was we heared, and many couldn't reject its challenge. We entered by many adjustments, called dimensional doors, until we were able to enter a human-body. What we call taking birth, is a long prepared-for procedure. We finally enter and accept the body, when we take birth. But then as babies we are in a period of time where we leave and enter easily, as our vehicle is new for us and we aren't yet so identified and addicted to it.

Growing up means the spirit learns to use the vehicle, we learn to walk, even speak and behave in social conformity. This learning pulls our attention to the physical senses, so better we learn to interpret the signals, and better we operate with our physical body here.

We as spiritual beings naturally see, it's part of our nature. Seeing through eyes, which means looking through two holes, but which serves us with many fancy signals from a colorful toy, even TV or even WWW such as here. We can refocus our inner eye away from the physical eyes. This is called activation of third-eye, in a passive observing way.

Some of you maybe heard of or even experienced what is known as Shape-Shifting or Mirror Gazing, looking at aspects of yourself. This is one step of the usage of the third-eye.
Pre-Stages of Third Eye Perceptions

Before I go ahead with my personal view on third-eye, let me describe some pre-stages.

* Most people have very very tiny particles in their eyes, and we usually don't perceive them as our focus is most 1-2m in front of our eyes. But in a very relaxed moment, we can focus very close to the physical eye itself, and perceive some particles, which distort bright objects and give a more colorful surrounding. This is a physical effect, not a subtle perception.
* Some people feel presences in the corner of their sight, and try by turning their head, to catch the presence they felt. This can be a real being, that is trying to get your attention. Your physical attention is mainly in the center of your sight, in the corner your sight it gets less focused, and sometimes your inner eye overlaps with the corner of your physical sight. This perception tends to be a real subtle perception of your third-eye.
* Some of the spiritually-interested people have drug experiences, like marijuana or cocaine, where some altered states of consciousness are experienced. But the difference between using drugs (including legal ones like alcohol) and the natural use of the non-physical senses is, that drugs distort perception by removing the natural blockages which are expressions our spiritual maturity and allowance. I personally do not promote usage of drugs, even legal ones, to achieve altered states, as it does indeed create more than just physical imbalances, but astral distortions as well, which are more difficult to be healed.

I believe, that all people have third-eye experiences, but most people do not pay attention to them, as their belief-systems simply reject these experiences as real. A part of this text may help to make one become aware of it again, and accept it as part of reality, and no longer para-normal, but simply normal.
Preparation and Training

One issue of preparation is, reading such an article about the third eye, even your conscious mind catches a part of the concept. It's not meant to make-up or even create a huge amount of expectation, but an openness, wordly an open mind.

Here are some well known preparations, which you can practice to open and prepare yourself. You can do it daily, or even weekly in circles, whatever you prefer.

* Take a candle, watch the flame for a period of time, let's say 1-2 minutes. try to think calming thoughts, try to feel the room you are in, and feel comfortable with yourself. Don't stare until your eyes tear, but simply watch the flame, and allow your thoughts to calm as your body does too. Try to establish a meditative state, but different than a common meditation: with open eyes.
* If you have a pet, like a cat or dog, try to watch her or his eyes, and relax and try to establish a deep peace in you. Pets usually reflect humans' emotions and thoughts and therefore teach us our own inner peace by sourrounding humans.
* Watch your face in a mirror, try not to laugh or smile about the ridicilous situation looking at yourself. Look at your face, in a kind of distance, saying to yourself: That's now my face, it's part of myself, my physical body, my vehicle. Try to watch your own face for 1-2 min. too, with dimmed light if possible instead of bright light which might hurt your eyes.
* If you feel better in nature than in your own apartment, look for a place where you feel totally calmed and relaxed, for example a lake, or river. Try to achive a meditative state, but as mentioned, with open eyes.

It's simply important, that you can calm with open eyes. It's much easier to calm and relax yourself with closed eyes, when the visual influences are disabled that distract our inner being, but for this procedure it's quite helpful to reach the same state with open eyes.
A Theoretical Background

As said before, you inhabit a physical body, which serves you with physical senses, where the visual sense, our eyes, feed us with thousands of electrical signals every second. It's no surprise that it's not well known to look without physical eyes, especially in the technical times we live in today, where everything has to be multimedia to get our attention.

1. Physical Eyes Only
This is the most common case in western society. We are very visually oriented, and our technically oriented attention and research needs a high degree of ability to perceive physical reality in order to change it as we did mainly with industrialization, as an example. An additional thought you may find in Inner Realization vs. Technology. I may not go into that more, as today's world already says enough.
2. Physical Eyes and Inner Eye Overlap
This is the issue I try to describe here in the entire text: the physical eyes serve impressions of the physical reality to the inner eye, which I indicate with the persence in the middle of the head (point of presence), as I perceive and feel it. If your physical eyes get prepared by yourself, and reduce the traffic of information, you slowly and partly will watch through the inner eye, or third eye, which may give you impressions beyond physical reality. The nature of this subtle picture is different than the impressions of physical reality. More simply said, physical pictures passed by the eye are real in the order of physicality, and the pictures of the inner eye are real in the order of subtle reality. To bring both together, that's the real issue. The understanding of their correlations I only partly can share in this text, since this is mainly achieved through practice.
3. Only Inner Eye
This case is somewhat rare, and is only achieved with a lot of practice and inner allowance. Giving up the attention to physical eyes is dependent on a deep trust that there is more than physical reality, and often there is a lot of fear involved, deep fear to lose any orientation of physical reality, at least I experienced it that way, when I slowly shifted away from my physical eyes too. I describe more about this below.

By the way, the issue of having open eyes is to make it easier to allow becoming aware of the inner eye. Some people, even experienced spiritually aware people prefer to see with closed physical eyes. In our strong belief-system most of us use to define, that we only can see with open eyes. Anyway, in this case I like to describe, it's easier to do it with open eyes.

Somehow, this theoretical background is my chosen belief-system to comprehend mentally the experiences I personally made. Take it as a personal truth, not more.
The Activation, Its Passive Usage

I suggest two prefered kinds of procedures to achieve the best results.

Mirror Watching

A Single Person

This version is a further practice of one of the relaxation suggestions I made above:

Watch your face in a mirror, with dimmed light. Make sure you are alone, or you know that no one will interrupt you, as you have to slip into a very relaxed state of consciousness, where any physical interruption may affect you much much deeper. Choose maybe an evening, not a special time, but maybe after work, when you are perhaps already a bit tired physical and mentally. If you feel really tired, don't practice it or don't even urge or strain yourself to do it. Do it when you feel comfortable, it's important you feel comfortable, there is no competition to win or to constrain things. I say this, as I came across people who constrained things mentally, and blocked themselves with this urge.

Again, watch your face, relax yourself by a calming suggestion such as, "I'm in peace within myself, I simply watch my face to calm and find peace in me". Focus with your physical eyes on one point, between your eyes, forehead, or one single eye. Do not try to watch both eyes, because it will make you move your sight.

Don't move with your sight or blink your eyes, because it's necessary to allow your attention to move away from your physical eyes toward your inner eye.

Choose a point on your face you focus, and don't change it anymore. Remain on this point as long as possible, again don't constrain it, if you feel not comfortable doing so. After some moments, maybe 30-60 secs and you are fully relaxed, you will feel an warmth on your back, neck area. I do mention this, so that you simply get aware of your energy. If you don't feel anything special, don't worry, don't expect, but if you do feel it, know you are well underway.

The warmth is energy, which you attract by refocusing your attention. You can say, it's a type of preparing energy from your spirit-guides, or beings helping you in your spiritual path, or simply perceive it as presence of the good. It's not so important you know excatly what it is, or who it is. If it feels comfortable, open yourself even more. Imagine an inner door you open, while you still are looking at your face and this particular point.

After some moments you may see a short change in your own face, starting at the point you are looking at. Don't awaite this, but be open to allow it to happen. If you wait for it to happen with your mind to grab it, it will not happen.

You have to release the attention to watch with your physical eyes!

The change of your own face, is an overlapping picture which reaches your consciousness, the one picture served from your physical eyes will be smoothly overlapped like a slide by another face, another presence. This face may be humanoid.

When this happens, breath slowly and surround yourself with the best and most lightful energy that you can, and maybe close your eyes for a moment to give your eyes some moisture and cleansing for your physical eyes, as we are usually not experienced with having open eyes for 60 seconds or longer. Focus again on a point, maybe the same as before, and relax your sight again as much as possible, and you will slip very easily and faster until your face will change again.

If you see parts of someone else's face in yours, watch as an observer, but only look, don't judge what you see, even if it's a beautiful or grotesque face, just look, just watch.

This entire procedure maybe shouldn't go for longer than 5-10 minutes, and if you don't see anything after 2-3 minutes, stop it. Again, no constraining, but allowance. Don't even judge yourself if nothing happens the first time.

This Mirror Watching is a subset of the so-called Mirror Magick. In this context, the mirror is generally used to focus the attention and will to make affirmations, for example, to call spirits, or even focus on third eye.
Watching Faces, or Shape Shifting

For Two Persons

This is the way I would prefer for most who have already some experiences with the mirror, even if they are just small and short snapshots of other faces in your own.

Ask a friend, who is interested in energies, as well as meditation and who you can openly share spiritual concepts with, without fearing that he or she may laugh at you. Some basic knowledge of chakras may be very good for both of you to know. Practice a relaxing meditation, for 10-15 minutes, like surround yourself with light, and balance all the trouble and distraction from your daily life.

Choose two chairs, and maybe a table with a small little candle in the middle, but it's not especially necessary, it simply helps you to relax better, and shifts the consciousness into a more relaxed state. You could also sit on the ground, but make sure you are comfortable, I can't repeat that enough. Keep about 1.5 to 2 meters distance between you and your friend. Make sure that there is no direct light, dim any artificial light, or use a candle as mentioned.

Look at each other's face, choose one point in the face of each other, either the nose, the point between the eyes, the forehead or whatever. It's not important where you look with your physical eyes, it is important though that you relax your sight totaly. Even as said before, don't move your sight anymore when you have anchored your sight, and don't blink anymore if possible. Every blink of your eye-lids brings your inner attention back to your physical eyes, so it is therefore important you allow your attention to move away from the physical sight by relaxing mentally as well as physically.

Breath deeply, and feel whether energy surrounds you, as in the example of warmth around your head, face or back of the neck. Warmth in your face will indicate the energy the other one radiates by his or hear third-eye; warmth on the back, upper part of body or even neck indicates a coming presence entering your aura, attracted by the activity.

The moment you see something, speak out what you see ... relax again and focus back until you see another face. Allow also your friend to focus, and maybe wait until he or she gets a glimpse of a change. Again, there is no competition to win, seeing something doesn't mean it's better. If it's happening fine, if it doesn't happen fine too. Help each other with patience. If it works easily, describe the face while you see it.

At the beginning you maybe will have difficulties focus on one face, as there may appear 10-15 different faces during a very few seconds, as if you are watching a slide-show, but someone doesn't wait until you can grasp its meaning. It's like you see, but you have to learn to turn the channel smoothly, like a radio station. If there is a face, which attracts you, and you remember it well for that short time, think of this face, and allow yourself deeply to move back to this face, smoothly. It takes training to focus on one presence longer.
Other activations

Crystal Sphere: This I didn't experienced myself, but it's just another way to relax the physical eyes, to move the attention to the inner eye. The crystal-sphere allows by its physical structure, to recognize no real pattern to begin to search astrally for connected presences and energies. When watching faces, you go with a key, even the face. The difference with the sphere, is you have to build within yourself a key, for what you are looking for.

Candle: The candle initiation I heard of, but I don't know exactly how it's done. It seems, that the preparation technique of using a candle is used to reach a certain state of consciousness, where other beings can be perceived in the flame. Often some kind of ceremonies are involved to invoke spirits, who support the activation.

In case you know some of other procedures I may list here, drop me a line by email.

If you are successful fast, practice as often as possible so you feel comfortable - to make your conscious mind ready to allow you to perceive in your daily-life with the inner eye as well, not just in a prepared surrounding.

In case nothing happens, absolutly no feeling, no changing of the face, your attention may be strictly on the physical, which is ok. I met a lot of people hanging arround and partly rejecting their being on the physical, and its better for them to ground themselves first beforehand, in order to train psychic abilities such as this third-eye example. If the time is right, you might come across other ways to train your subtle senses. Be open, and not disappointed about yourself.

Further Steps

When you practice Watching Faces or Shape Shifting weekly, and you get skilled in focusing also during daily-light and moving faces, you may take pictures, and focus on them.

Focus as described above, and form a key, to attract the connected energies of the picture. This key is an inner question and thought-pattern which you broadcast literally with your mind. It's different than channeling, as you receive a picture related to the picture. It will tend to be a face too, but not necessarily. If other face-forms appear, be open, don't judge or censor them with your current belief-system.

Watch people's face around you. While you talk to them, watch their aspects they keep, it will give you a glimpse of their bigger personality, that each of us is. You may perceive aspects of somone's personality, that you may connect with the concept of past-lives, or you might see a personality aspect one is balancing in his or her present life.

Some hints about things you may experience when you are a bit skilled:

I get headache when doing this, what can I do?
Well, it's like you re-use something you haven't used for a very long time, and your brain has problems grasping all the information. It could be also, that you have an energy-blockage in the third-eye chakra. Try putting one hand on your heart-chakra, and the other one on the forehead, then change with the one hand from your forehead to back of your head. It may help. Especially after the first time you watch with third-eye you may experience a headache the next day or so, but it shouldn't be heavy headache.
There are a lot of faces, what does that mean?
This person is dealing with a lot of personality aspects, which may be perceived in a spiritual manner as entities in her or his aura. I tend to remain in silence and not share this perception, as I made the experience that it does disturb the person even more than help her. Maybe mention the major impression of all faces, for example fear, or not being respected. Support this person with words of understanding and suggestions of integration of the so-called denied aspects of her or himself. People who tend to judge themselves being unworthy tend to have a lot of faces of sadness, or beings in their auras which have distorted looks of accidents or sickness when they left their bodies, and now had found an embodied being, who shares the same view of him or herself. It's a symbiotic relationship of sympathy, not a case to judge.
I see freaky and ugly faces, what does it mean?
Freaky faces tend to be associated with mentally unsteady people, who have no focus, and tend to be attracted by everything which seems to give them something. Ugly faces, there you have to distinguish very carefully, sometimes there are past-lives coming through, where other kinds of beauty counted in society that may not be like today. Sometimes, with people who are afraid of getting fat, you may see very fat faces. Understand that they fear to repeat this again, and have a difficult connection with their bodies.
How do I know, whether it's a being, or a past-life?
Generally speaking, you see associated energies. Your inner knowledge will allow you to understand the bigger picture. Non-balanced past-lives, which someone rejects inside, appear as another being in his or her aura, or even attract like-minded bounded entities. Don't define it according your current belief-system, where past-lives are a part too, maybe read Reincarnation and The Self for some additional understanding or suggestions. I personaly need to use some time (from minutes, hours, even months), before I'm able to sort out all the impressions I've gotten and understand within me, when I watched with the third-eye to someone before.
There is no other face, but the same just a bit younger. What does it mean?
I personally only saw one single person, where I shifted my focus and watched with my third-eye, and the face didn't change, but got bright and more intense in appearance than the physical view I had before. When I tried to find out what it did mean, I received the hint, that this person indeed has intergrated all aspects of himself, and that this person is to become complete, self-realized.
I can't watch animal faces, what now?
It takes some experience to do this. I did it with our dog and saw a similar dog in him, but I couldn't get any more impressions. Once I tried with our hare, and he had no face, but he turned into a bright glowing white ball ... it touched me so deeply, I can't describe here in words. It made me remember the divinity of all creatures.
Is it for sure that the things I see are connected to the person?
Yes, and to you too. You look with the key-pattern of the other person's face into the pool of all patterns. The more skilled you are, the deeper the patterns you will get. Every piece of information is given to you in understanding. You may experience also some cases, where you are not permitted to get information. You will feel or even listen to your spirit-guides, who are always involved in the moment you watch with your third-eye. The more open you are, the more universal information you can access. If you have a strong belief-system, the more you limit yourself in order to understand the things you perceive.
When meditating it's said not to drink alcohol or eat meat, the same for third-eye watching?
Well, alcohol affects the solar-plexus very much, as well as the throat chakra where a part of the subtle energy of the alcohol gets absorbed. In the case of meat, especially raw meat, it does attract beings who have experienced the same death. Check out by watching a slaugtherhouse with the third-eye, and you will know what I mean. As most of us are opening and starting to use the charkas consciously, you might try to reduce any possible influence which might distort your perception.
To whom I may share this third-eye activation?
Everyone you feel might be open, and understand its meaning. Those who are not able to handle it, will not able to see. The only additional thing I may say is, don't play with it, but use it to bring understanding of the subtle reality into this world.

This is so far some of the common issues I came across when I showed people how to watch with the third-eye. If you have some experiences with it you think I should add here, let me know too.
Advanced States

Lucid Sight

A further step in looking with the third-eye, I call Lucid Sight. I experienced it a few times, and so far haven't read anything about it. I only once listened to a professional psychic who saw my spirit-guardians and described their appearance, and I honestly doubted that she saw them. Some time later, when I trained my third-eye a bit more and I saw light-beings, I knew she possibly was right in the way she saw them.

If you are focusing on the person, and you move away from the face, for example to the outline, and you start to see the dull milky aura of the person, you even have to let go more of your watching with the physical eyes. You slip into a trance like state, but you are fully conscious, your mind is totally passive, observing, a very peaceful state. Slowly the entire surrounding begins glowing by itself, not only the person you looking at, but the wall, and all things standing arround.

When I remained in this state, my sight got expanded, not fully spherical 360 degrees, but maybe 240 degrees, as I could see things behind my shoulders glowing, and I felt, how I literally gave up watching with my physical eyes, as I no longer had stereoscopic view, but one intensive looking and feeling of living energy in the entire room I was sitting in.

You will see glowing smoke like dancing energies, and you will see your own aura or energy flooding your sight, and everything will get brighter and brighter without any need for artificial light. You might be able to see light-beings standing or being present in the room, or maybe just a human-like outline, which becomes a glowing presence of light, who are assiting you and the people who gathered for the session.

You can read a related text from Robert Hay, Spirits, and the Spirit World.
Out of Body Experience (OBE)

A further state of Lucid Sight is, your sight expands to full spherical 360 degrees, and you feel you are in the middle of your head (point of presence), and then, if you are fully centered in your being, you leave your body fully conscious and you feel you're watching like a bee, you feel very small and the room will getting huge, and you will see everything in spherical 360 degree view.

Charles Goldmann wrote in his OBE, Spiritualist Technique: "... one phase of mediumship, which is called 'traveling clairvoyance' is the out of body state. "Where the medium is conscious of leaving the body, and in that state views the surroundings, we use the term 'traveling clairvoyance."

I honestly have to say, that I always faced a deep fear when I reached this state, and I just move a bit out of my head, and slipped immediatly back inside in the middle of my head, but I could keep looking nearly 360 degrees. As said, it's a very very peaceful state, somehow, as reality is then even more real, more vivid.

I will write later about other approaches to achieve an out-of-body state more active.

Active Using

Well, that's all that is passivly meant, above. There are many different intensities to use third-eye in conscious active way.

Visualizing

A lot of teachings of visualization are done today, in meditation circles, OBE interested groups, uand now modern management teachings. You manifest with the third-eye, and with the force of the heart and base chakra. If you visualize, you pull astral and etheric energies toward you, where you act as modeller.

Managers: They visualize activly, and ground themselves with the 1st base chakra to be able estimate the success of the business, then achieve a business and company that flourishes: "Your success is of your own creation". Today managers are kind of half-aware yogis, who manifest things with material energy called money. But often spiritually aware people judge those, who are deep in materialism, but those spirits simply learn to handle energy here, and are often overwhelmed by its usage.

Artists: They usually perceive more, and control with the third-eye and physical eyes the transformation of the higher-dimensional patterns into matter (the picture). For example, a very intense picture drawn by an artist has a physical appearance, and an astral aspect as well, and if the artist was balanced when he or she drew it, we feel it and it does deeply touch us. One of those cultures that was conscious of this connection was the Egyptian culture with its hieroglyphs, which indeed are more than physical symbols.

Scientists/Engineers: As partly described in the text about spaceships (discussing conscious and unconscious creation of spacecrafts), scientists act as visualizers too, especially when they have to make theoretical research available for industry. Making a plan, then drawing symbols to make other people aware of to create a physical thing, is mainly based on the ability to transform higher realities into the limited physical reality.

Again, everything we affect, may it be cooking, painting a wall, signing a contract, driving a car or riding a bicycle, has an astral aspect, which is more real than the physical aspect. The connection of both is the secret of every success.
Full activation

The full activation of the third-eye with the kundalini is a major step, which needs to be assisted by a teacher or guru. I'm not especially a follower of guru-ism, but I honestly have to say, without guidance of an experienced embodied teacher or a full-conscious remembrance of a past-life you where received the teaching already, it's not good to do so.

As long as the third-eye is somehow isolated in use, there is less to achieve. For example, the moment you also open other chakras to perceive the subtle reality, you not only get pictures, but feelings and emotion which may help much much more to understand these impressions. The same for the active usage, if you work consciously with base-charka (full acceptance of incarnation, fully grounded), and the heart-charka, and the crown as well (acceptance of a higher purpose of your life), you may indeed experience miracles.

Anyway, full activation of the third-eye is connected to the full balance of all other chakras, which is the kundalini, which finally leads to the true enlightment of an embodied spirit. There is no short-cut possible to being fully balanced in yourself . . .

I will add later some affirmations for the active usage.

So far, those are my thoughts on the third-eye, and some associated subjects. Take it as a personal view and belief-system, and if you think it serves you, fine. If it's too far away from your own reality, fine too. Everyone lives a life, and every life is different hopefully!

I will update this text infrequently.

Peace,

René K. Müller (kiwi@spiritweb.org)

:mrgreen: :wink:


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