anorgance bih nazvao bakterijama,a ove gmizavce koji hoce da nas istrebe kao viruse.tu malo
uporedim mikro-makro kosmos.i svakakve ideje mi padaju na pamet.da li je to zivo bice ciji smo mi deo svesno nas,ili nije?

kad uporedim nas sa nasim celijama,shvatam da ni mi nismo svesni
koliko imamo istih,dal su svesne,dal im nesto treba.ali cinjenica je da su one deo nas.u tom
kontekstu sam dosao do zakljucka da mi jesmo kao bogovi.ali da smo i dalje deo sveukupne kreacije.

ma nisam hteo o tome da komentarisem,to je samo kanalizirano kucanje po tastaturi.sorry.
da li je tacno da se anorganska bica zadovoljavaju energetski time sto rade neke glupe stvari,
kao sto je skretanje paznje?na koji direktno nacin to njima pricinjava zadovoljstvo,i zbog cega
zele da nas drze zarobljene i njihovom svetu?

Da li po zarobljavanju duha od strane tih bica,nase telo
umire ili nastavlja da zivi,a da mi nismo svesni toga?

recimo,mi nastavljamo da sanjamo,veza sa telom
ostane,tako da ne umiremo,a za to vreme neko drugo bice,preuzme kontrolu nad telom,cega mi nismo
svesni.

ispostavi da smo svi mi kao celije u organizmu,zemlja kao delic tela,a vasiona kao zivo bice.
anorgance bih nazvao bakterijama,a ove gmizavce koji hoce da nas istrebe kao viruse.

Djeljiv smo dio luciferijanske svijesti i to nas je svjesno koliko i mi njega.
Ovo je zajebano za objasniti a i moja je pretpostavka...

...
Luciferian Consciousness and Christ Consciousness

There are two Energies, or Consciousnesses, co-existing in this 3D/4D Dimension. Christ Consciousness is an Energy of Connection to the One True Creator, the Source of All. It is an Understanding that All of Us are part of One glorious Whole. Luciferian Consciousness is an opposing Energy which encourages Separation from the One True Creator, The All. It retreats from the truth that All is Connected and insists on Experiencing as if "Self" is all there is.

These two Energies envelop us. We, by our actions, are able to tap into these Consciousnesses, depending on whether our Desires and Actions are of Coarse or Finer Vibrations. For ages, the Luciferian energy has held sway as Man has habitually Chosen poorly. The more we indulge in Selfish activities, the more easily we are able to access the Luciferian energy of Separation. If we are not careful, we will succumb to stronger and stronger influences until we reach a level of Selfishness that will manifest as what Humans call "Evil".

Fortunately, the Era of Selfishness on this particular Planet is over. Christ Consciousness has returned to this sector of the Galaxy, with a vengeance. All who are willing can tap into this Energy and experience what it's like to allow one's self to Love Unconditionally, To Give, and to Serve without thought of Return.
....

po steineru:
ima i treća, sotonska.
po prirodi stvari krist-svijest je više nego različite prirode od luciferske.
mi smo između sila luciferskih i ahrimanskih (kako steiner zove sotonu).
ego ( eventualno i krist-svijest) je ono čime balansiramo između ova dva utjecaja.
lucifer je u prošlosti bio gotovo monopolista na svijest. svo stro znanje, gnoza, izgrađeno je na temeljima luciferrske svijesti.
ta svijest omogućava spoznaju i nudi znanje i spoznaje o duhovnim svjetovima i sveukupnostima, ali samo preko tog izvora.
ne neovisno. dakle daje znanje a uzima slobodu.
ahrimanska svijest daje slobodu odmah, ali samo za materijalsitički nastrojenu svijest.
luciferski izlazimo izvan svojih granica, širimo se. ahrimanski se uvlačimo., skupljamo.
ravnotežu nam daje ego-svijest koja u razvoju može koristiti krsist-svijest.

pokušat ću ti pronaći, al ne mogu na brzinu pošto ima stotine steinerovih knjiga.
ali i mene golica, potražit ću. ahrimanske i luciferske snage spominje vrlo često i na mnogo mjesta a asuras vrlo malo.

Lucifer is connected with the experience of breathing, of the in-breathing and the outbreathing.
The relationship between a man's breathing and the functioning of his
organism as a whole must be absolutely regular and normal. The moment the breathing
process is in any way disturbed, instead of remaining the unconscious operation to which
no attention need be paid, it becomes a conscious process, of which we are more or less
dreamily aware. And when, to put it briefly, the breathing process becomes too forceful,
when it makes greater claims on the organism than the organism can meet, then it is
possible for Lucifer (not he himself but the hosts belonging to him) to enter with the
breath into the organism.


I am speaking here of a familiar experience of dream-life. It may arise in many forms and
with growing intensity. A nightmare in which the disturbed breathing process makes a
man conscious in dream, so that experiences of the spiritual world intermingle with the
dream and give rise to the anxiety and fear which often accompany a nightmare - all such
experiences have their origin in the Luciferic element. When, instead of the regular
breathing, there is a feeling of being choked or strangled, this is connected with the
possibility that Lucifer may be mingling with the breathing.

What happens when the breathing process becomes excessively vigorous and forceful?
The ether-body expands, becomes too diffuse; and as this takes effect in the physical
body, it tends to break up the physical body. An over-exuberant, too widely extended
ether-body gives rise to an excessively vigorous breathing process and this provides the
Luciferic forces with opportunity to work.
The Luciferic forces, then, can make their way into the human being when the ether-body
has expanded beyond the normal. One can also say that the Luciferic forces tend to
express themselves in an ether-body that has expanded beyond the limits of the human
form, that is to say, in an ether-body requiring more space than is provided within the
boundaries of the human skin.
Of attempts made to find an appropriate form in which to portray this process, the
following may be said. - In its normal state, the ether-body moulds and shapes the
physical form of man. But as soon as the ether-body expands, as soon as it tries to create
for itself greater space and an arena transcending the boundaries of the human skin, it
tends to produce other forms. The human form cannot here be retained; the ether-body
strives to grow out of and beyond the human form. In olden days men found the solution
for this problem. When an extended ether-body - which is not suited to the nature of man
but to the Luciferic nature - makes itself felt and takes shape before the eye of soul, what
kind of form emerges? The Sphinx!

The basic tendency of our Fifth Post-Atlantean epoch is different. The trend of evolution
has been such that the ether-body has contracted and is far less prone to diffusion or
expansion. The ether-body, instead of being too large, is too small, and this will become
more marked as evolution proceeds. If it can be said that in the man of ancient Greece,
the ether-body was too large, it can be said that in the man of modern times the etherbody
is compressed and contracted, has become too small. The more human beings are
led by materialism to disdain the Spiritual, the more will the ether-body contract and
wither. But because the organization and functions of the physical body depend upon the
ether-body - inasmuch as the ether-body must permeate the physical in the right way - the
physical body too will always tend to dry up, to wither, if the contraction of the etherbody
is excessive; and if the physical body became too dry, men would have feet of horn
instead of the feet of a normal human being. As a matter of fact, man will not actually
find himself with feet of horn, but the tendency is there within him, owing to this
proclivity of the ether-body to weaken and dry up. Now into this dried-up ether-body,
Ahriman can insinuate himself, just as Lucifer can creep into an extended, diffuse etherbody.
Ahriman will assume the form which indicates a lack of power in the ether-body. It
unfolds insufficient etheric force for properly developed feet and will produce hornlike
feet, goat's feet.
Mephistopheles is Ahriman. There is good reason, as I have just indicated, for portraying
him with the feet of a goat. Myths and legends are full of meaning: Mephistopheles is
very often depicted with horses' hoofs; his feet have dried up and become hoofs. If
Goethe <http://wn.elib.com/Bio/Goethe.html> had completely understood the nature of
Mephistopheles he would not have made him appear in the guise of a modern cavalier,
for by his very nature Mephistopheles-Ahriman lacks the etheric forces necessary to
permeate and give shape to the normal physical form of a human being.

po steineru:
ima i treća, sotonska.
po prirodi stvari krist-svijest je više nego različite prirode od luciferske.
mi smo između sila luciferskih i ahrimanskih (kako steiner zove sotonu).
ego ( eventualno i krist-svijest) je ono čime balansiramo između ova dva utjecaja.
lucifer je u prošlosti bio gotovo monopolista na svijest. svo stro znanje, gnoza, izgrađeno je na temeljima luciferrske svijesti.
ta svijest omogućava spoznaju i nudi znanje i spoznaje o duhovnim svjetovima i sveukupnostima, ali samo preko tog izvora.
ne neovisno. dakle daje znanje a uzima slobodu.
ahrimanska svijest daje slobodu odmah, ali samo za materijalsitički nastrojenu svijest.
luciferski izlazimo izvan svojih granica, širimo se. ahrimanski se uvlačimo., skupljamo.
ravnotežu nam daje ego-svijest koja u razvoju može koristiti krsist-svijest.

Nema toga u CC knjigama, zahtjeva neko poznavanje ostalih učenja (uživljenost u to), nije ni tema ovog podforuma.

Evo neki hint, to je zgodan članak sa http://time-to-choose.blogspot.com/2009 ... cifer.html

Prvo sam imao razna iskustva